From: Mike Oliver Subject: Re: Continuum Hypotheisis Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:18:05 -0800 Newsgroups: sci.math Summary: [missing] Daryl McCullough wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance, but is there a simple intuitive > definition of O#. Any completely accurate definition is going to be a little technical. But in brief: Suppose there's an uncountable set of ordinals which are order-indiscernibles for L; that is, if phi is a formula with n free variables, and if alpha_0 < alpha_1 <...< alpha_{n-1} and beta_0 < beta_1 < ... < beta_{n-1} are all taken from the set of indiscernibles, then L |= phi(alpha_0...alpha_{n-1}) iff L |= phi(beta_0...beta_{n-1}) Then 0# is the collection of all codes for true-in-L formulas of the form phi(alpha_0...alpha_n-1) where the alphas are indiscernibles. There's an additional technical property (look up "Silver indiscernibles") which is needed to make this unique (as stated above, you might get different 0#'s for different sets of indiscernibles; but you can't for different sets of Silver indiscernibles). > I vaguely recall that it has something > to do with coding a model of set theory as a real, so > that 0# exists --> ZFC is consistent (but not the other > way around?) That's right.