From: kovarik@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA (Zdislav V. Kovarik) Subject: Re: The Completeness of Metric Spaces Date: 8 Jul 2000 06:15:40 -0400 Newsgroups: sci.math Summary: [missing] In article <20000708051605.02732.00003973@ng-cg1.aol.com>, Paterices wrote: :Is there a general topological method to determine whether some arbitrary :metric space is complete No; that is, "no, there is no general topological method ..." if we agree what "topological" means. "Topological" is generally understood as "invariant under homeomorphisms", which comes down to "using only concepts defined ultimately in terms of open sets and corresponding set-theoretical operations", in particular, without mentioning the metric. With this understanding, the trouble is that you can have pairs of homeomorphic metric spaces, where one space is complete and the other isn't. Very inconvenient but that's topology. Example: the whole line R, and the open interval (-1,1), and a homeomorphism is x |-> x/(1+|x|) . There is a substitute: we can call a metrizable topological space "topologically complete" if it is homeomorphic to a complete metric space. This sounds like cheating, but there is a nice characterization: such spaces are "absolute G-delta spaces", that is, countable intersections of open subsets wherever they are embedded. An equivalent condition is "being a G-delta subset of an already complete metric space". Example: the set of all irrationals is a topologically complete subset of R, while the set of all rationals isn't (Baire Category Theorem prevents it). There are other useful generalities: a closed subset of a complete space is complete, and a complete subset of a complete space is closed. (The topology is understood to be defined by the restricted metric.) So, if a subset of an already complete space is not closed then it cannot be complete. (Sometimes it can still be topologically complete, to confuse bystanders.) :when there is no explicit completeness axiom, You don't force a space to be complete by attaching a completeness requirement to it (that is, ultimately, it will not be complete just because you call it complete). The misunderstanding comes perhaps from confusing theories (such as the axiomatic theory of real numbers) and models of theories (such as construction of the reals by completing the rationals). :or does :one generally have to resort to algebraic properties (to give a specific :example that doesn't concern me very much, can the rationals be proven :not complete without finding specific sets that cannot include their :closure, such as [0,sqrt2))? The rationals, under their usual metric, are best proved to be incomplete by showing a Cauchy sequence of rationals which fails to have a rational limit. Example: pick your favourite sequence of rationals that converges in R to sqrt(2). Your example is puzzling: how do you relate the non-closedness of that interval to completeness? :Intuitively, I should imagine this not to :be the case, but perhaps there is something clever that doesn't cross my :mind. Now I am lost: what is imagined to be or not to be the case? Cheers, ZVK(Slavek)