From: Fred Galvin Subject: Re: Jigsaw puzzle problem Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:33:40 -0600 Newsgroups: sci.math Summary: [missing] On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, John R Ramsden wrote: > Samu Aalto wrote: > > > > I once heard about a jigsaw puzzle, where using the same pieces, > > you were able to form both perfectly square and perfectly circular > > 2D planes. I remember, that minimum amount of pieces needed was > > eventually something like 10^50. Can You point me to the > > information over this topic? M. Laczkovich, Equidecomposability and discrepancy; a solution of Tarski's circle-squaring problem, J. Reine Angew. Math. 404 (1990), 77-117. (Mathematical Reviews 91b:51034) > Hi Samu, I think you may be thinking of the Banach-Tarski paradox, > although this is usually expressed in terms of reassembling one disk > into another with a different area (which means you may not be thinking > of this after all). The Banach-Tarski paradox needs 3 dimensions. You can't reassemble a plane figure into another with a different area; however, you can change the shape, as Laczkovich showed in his solution of Tarkski's old "circle-squaring problem". ============================================================================== From: Pierre Bornsztein Subject: Re: Jigsaw puzzle problem Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:47:34 +0100 Newsgroups: sci.math John R Ramsden wrote: > > Samu Aalto wrote: > > > > I once heard about a jigsaw puzzle, where using the same pieces, you > > were able to form both perfectly square and perfectly circular 2D > > planes. I remember, that minimum amount of pieces needed was eventually > > something like 10^50. Can You point me to the information over this > > topic? > > Hi Samu, I think you may be thinking of the Banach-Tarski paradox, > although this is usually expressed in terms of reassembling one disk > into another with a different area (which means you may not be thinking > of this after all). Hi, Here is what it is written in Stan Wagon's book "Unsolved problem in mathematics" (sorry I don't have the name of the editor), and in "Unsoved problems in Geometry" by Croft, Falconer and Guy (Springer) : Miklos Laczkovich (Hungary) solved in 1990 affirmatively the following problem : "Can a circle be decomposed into finitely many sets that can be rearranged to form a square (of equal area)." Moreover, he is able to accomplish the decomposition using only translations, which is quite surprising. Laczkovich estimates that his construction for squaring the circle requires about 10^50 pieces. It is not difficult that at least three pieces are required. Can closer bound be obtained? Third, his work applies to polygons : Thus he improves Tarski's set-theoretic version of the Bolyai-Gerwein theorem by showing that any two polygons having the same area are equidecomposable using translations alone. Even more recently, Laczkovich showed that any pair of bounded measurable subsets of |R^d of equal d-dimensional content are translation equidecomposable, as are a ball and cube of equal volume in |R^3. These construction depend heavily on the axiom of choice (can this be dispensed with, perhaps with the pieces Lebesgue mesurable, or even Borel sets?" Obviously, Laczkovich's method are quite complex (using ideas from the theory of uniform distribution of sequences)... Reference : M.Laczkovich, "Equidecomposability and discrepancy : o solution to Tarski's circle squaring problem". J.Reine Angew.Math. 404 (1990) P.77-117. Pierre.