From: hook@nas.nasa.gov (Ed Hook)
Subject: Re: Axiom of Choice
Date: 7 Jul 2000 20:55:07 GMT
Newsgroups: sci.math
Summary: [missing]
In article <2qep4k5sgf7f@forum.mathforum.com>,
cs93@cornell.edu (Chan-Ho Suh) writes:
|> Jim Heckman wrote:
|>
|> " I'm sure I've read that it's possible to prove that R is uncountable
|> using only its order properties, as opposed to the way it's usually
|> done using its algebraic properties, via infinite binary series, etc."
|> Yes, I've seen a proof on R's uncountability relying only on its
|> properties as a linear continuum. The general theorem says: An
|> infinite compact Haussdorf space with every pt. a limit pt. is
|> uncountable. I think.
More generally, if X is a complete metric space
and P is a nonempty perfect subset of X, then
P is uncountable.
|> Then you show an interval in R, i.e [0,1](in the order topology) to be
|> such a space.
|> The proof (as I recall) is in Munkres--Topology: A first course, if
|> you're interested.
To prove the above theorem, you can construct
an injection of the sequence space 2^|N into
P -- since the usual Cantor set is uncountable,
that proves it. (Of course, the original poster
might want to object at this point, since the
proof that the Cantor set is uncountable probably
uses that 2^\aleph_0 = c in some way ... ) The
"construction" depends on two results:
(1) if p is a limit point of A \subseteq X, where
X is a Hausdorff space, then every neighborhood of
p contains infinitely many points of A
(2) If { A_n }_{n > 0} is a nested sequence of
nonempty closed sets in the complete metric
space X with the property that diam(A_n) --> 0
as n --> \infinity, then \bigcap_{n > 0} A_n
is a singleton.
Then P is infinite (by (1)), so you can pick distinct
points p_0, p_1 in P. Let eps_1 = min(1/2, d(p_0,p_1)/3)
and define P(i) = { x \in P | d(x,p_i) <= eps_1 } for i=0, 1.
Then P(0), P(1) are disjoint closed sets with diameter
<= 1 ... and each contains infinitely many points.
Now you proceed inductively -- if you've managed to
define pairwise-disjoint closed sets P(a_1,a_2,...,a_n)
with diameter <= 1/n for every n-tuple of 0,s and 1's
with each set containing infinitely many points of P,
just imitate the above procedure "inside" each of these
sets. That is, given P(a_1,a_2,...,a_n), pick distinct points
p_{a_1,...,a_n,0} and p_{a_1,...,a_n,1} in there
(different from any points that may have been chosen at
an earlier stage -- probably unnecessary) and define
P(a_1,a_2,...,a_n,i) for i=0, 1 to be the closed set
{ x \in P(a_1,...,a_n) | d(x,p_{a_1,...,a_n,i}) <= eps }
where eps is chosen to guarantee that these two closed
sets are disjoint and have diameter <= 1/(n+1). This shows
that the construction can be carried out for sequences
of length n+1 if it can be done for sequences of length n
and completes the induction. Having constructed all of
these sets, it's then pretty clear what to do next.
Given (a_1, a_2, ... ) in 2^|N, the intersection
P(a_1) \cap P(a_1,a_2) \cap P(a_1,a_2,a_3) ...
is a singleton, say { f(a_1,a_2, ...) }. This
defines (you can check this) a function f: 2^|N --> P
which is clearly one-to-one ...
|> The proof, to me, is very interesting because it uses a different
|> approach than the now old diagonalization argument.
Check carefully, though -- as I noted up above,
it may well _still_ be using the "now old
diagonalization argument" ... After all, in order
to prove that some set is uncountable, you have to
be able to recognize an uncountable set. Most people
(specifically excluding the local cranks) first
acquire that skill by exposure to Cantor's diagonal
argument -- I'm not sure there's any other way to
easily produce a set *known* to be uncountable ...
(I'm sure that last claim is sufficiently provocative
that someone who actually knows what he's talking
about will chime in -- lookin' forward to it ...)
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