From: elkies@math.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies) Subject: x^4 + y^4 = z^4 + (3/4) t^4 Date: 24 Jun 00 16:43:54 GMT Newsgroups: sci.math.numberthy Summary: [missing] The twisted Fermat quartic surface in the "Subject:" line contains the rational curve (x,y,z,t) = (192 a^7, 192 a^8 - 24 a^4 - 1, 192 a^8 + 24 a^4 - 1, 4 a) As a consequence of this identity, not only does the surface have infinitely many rational points (with >>N^(1/8) of height at most N, rather than the expected N^epsilon), but there are infinitely many solutions of |x^4+y^4-z^4| << sqrt(z) in nonzero integers x,y,z (where the usual naive heuristics suggest finitely many solutions of |x^4+y^4-z^4| < z^c for each c<1). This latter application is how I found this identity, after seeing the first few cases in a search for small |x^4+y^4-z^4| along the lines explained here and in my ANTS-IV paper. But I would not be surprised to learn that the identity, or something equivalent to it, has been known for a long time. Does anybody here recognize it? Thanks, --Noam D. Elkies ============================================================================== From: elkies@math.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies) Subject: Correction Re: x^4 + y^4 = z^4 + (3/4) t^4 Date: 25 Jun 00 03:17:52 GMT Newsgroups: sci.math.numberthy I wrote >(x,y,z,t) = (192 a^7, 192 a^8 - 24 a^4 - 1, 192 a^8 + 24 a^4 - 1, 4 a) >As a consequence of this identity, not only does the surface have >infinitely many rational points (with >>N^(1/8) of height at most N, Make that >>N^(1/4), actually; here $a$ need not be an integer, and there are >>H^2 rationals of height at most H. NDE ============================================================================== From: Noam D. Elkies Subject: Re: An Obtuse Paradox? Date: 4 Sep 2000 19:01:04 GMT Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,sci.math In article <39B07E16.6BB9@earthlink.net>, Adam Stephanides wrote: >Noam D. Elkies wrote: >> In article <39AFEFA5.7187@earthlink.net>, >> Adam Stephanides wrote: >> >Whether what I originally showed was true of our set (that when x is >> >irrational there are only a countable number of y such that (x,y) is in >> >the set) implies that the set has measure zero is something I don't know. >> This implication does not hold; in fact there are even non-measurable sets >> that are graphs of functions, and thus contain a *single* (x,y) for each >> choice of x! >Suppose we assume, in addition to the property I stated, that the set is >measurable. Must its measure then be zero? (My guess would be yes in >this case.) Good question, and you guess correctly. Tile the plane with unit squares with sides parallel to the x and y axes, and consider the intersection of our set with each one of these squares. (I don't need to specify whether our squares our open or closed since the boundary of each square is negligible.) Each such intersection is measurable, and the sum of their measures equals the measure of the whole set. [This is because we're dealing with a countable union that's disjoint except on a negligible set.] So, it's enough to show that each intersection is negligible. Let S, then, be a measurable subset of a unit square such that for each x there are at most countably many y for which (x,y) is in S. We claim that S is negligible. If each x yields at most a single y (e.g. if S came from the graph of a function) then this is easy because S then has infinitely many disjoint translates (in the y-direction), all of which fit in the same 1*2 rectangle. Thus if S had positive measure then the 1*2 rectangle would have subsets of arbitrarily large measure, which is impossible. In the general case of countably many y's, I don't see a slick way of doing it, so I resort to the general theory of product measures (see e.g. Dunford and Schwartz, _Linear Operators_ Vol.I, 3.11). It is known that if S is a measurable subset of a unit square then, for all x outside a negligible set, the set S_x of y such that (x,y) is in S is a measurable subset of the real line; moreover, if f(x) is the measure of S_x, then the measure of S is the Lebesgue integral of f(x)dx. In our case, S is known to be measurable, and each S_x is at most countable, and therefore negligible. Thus f(x)=0 for all x, and the integral of f(x)dx is also zero. So S is indeed negligible, as claimed. ObPuzzle: Suppose F is a family of negligible subsets of [0,1] such that if S and S' are in F then either S contains S' or S' contains S. Must the union of all the sets in F be negligible? --Noam D. Elkies Department of Mathematics, Harvard University --Noam D. Elkies Department of Mathematics, Harvard University