From: HS Brandsma <hsbrand@cs.vu.nl>
Subject: Re: Pente solved?
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:22:13 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.games.abstract
Summary: [missing]

John Cartmell (john@cartmell.demon.co.uk) wrote:
:[snip]: 
: > I have been wondering whether the following games have been solved:
: 
: > Renju (like Go-Moku, but black (the first player) loses if
: > he makes a double three or three-four threat.
: > Professional Renju (Renju with opening restrictions)
: > Pente (like Go-Moku, but allowing captures of pairs by closing them in 
: > on two sides; capture of 10 stones also wins the game)
: > Keryo-Pente (like Pente, but also triples can be captured, 15 stones
: > also wins).
: 
: > Does anybody know of relevant work related to these games?

: Where did you get the info on these variations?

For one, they are played on www.itsyourturn.com,
but I knew them from before that. They sre also well-known on the web,
see www.pente.com eg.

Henno

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From: HS Brandsma <hsbrand@cs.vu.nl>
Subject: Pente solved?
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:55:47 GMT
Newsgroups: rec.games.abstract

Hi all,

I have been doing a bit of reading in Allis' thesis 
in which he solves (a.o.) the game Go-Moku, 5 in a row on 
a 15x15 board, where overlines (6 or more) are not allowed.
(a first player win)

I have been wondering whether the following games have been solved:

Renju (like Go-Moku, but black (the first player) loses if
he makes a double three or three-four threat.
Professional Renju (Renju with opening restrictions)
Pente (like Go-Moku, but allowing captures of pairs by closing them in 
on two sides; capture of 10 stones also wins the game)
Keryo-Pente (like Pente, but also triples can be captured, 15 stones
also wins).

Does anybody know of relevant work related to these games?

Ta,

Henno Brandsma
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From: Oon Wee Chong <oonwc@comp.nus.edu.sg>
Subject: Re: Pente solved?
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:18:38 +0800 
Newsgroups: rec.games.abstract

HS Brandsma wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have been doing a bit of reading in Allis' thesis
> in which he solves (a.o.) the game Go-Moku, 5 in a row on
> a 15x15 board, where overlines (6 or more) are not allowed.
> (a first player win)
>
> I have been wondering whether the following games have been solved:
>
> Renju (like Go-Moku, but black (the first player) loses if
> he makes a double three or three-four threat.
> Professional Renju (Renju with opening restrictions)
> Pente (like Go-Moku, but allowing captures of pairs by closing them in
> on two sides; capture of 10 stones also wins the game)
> Keryo-Pente (like Pente, but also triples can be captured, 15 stones
> also wins).

    AFAIK none of the above variations have been solved. In fact, the list
of solved games is pretty small. Aside from the trivial ones like
Tic-Tac-Toe or the ones with some optimal mathematical strategy like Nim,
the only solved games seem to be:

    - Connect-4 (Allis)
    - Qubic (Patashnik, re-solved by Allis)
    - Go-moku (Allis)
    - Nine Men's Morris (Gasser)

    Aside from these, I think 7x7 Hex has been solved, and also 6x6
Othello.

- Oon Wee Chong.